If you haven’t watched this movie then you should. I’m not saying everything or even anything in the movie is fact but it should open your eyes and get you thinking about things which is exactly it’s purpose. If you aren’t from the US then you probably already have similiar views that the movie has, however, if you are from the states then you’ve more than likely had the wool pulled over your eyes for far too long now. Watch the movie with an open mind and you’ll come out the other side with a perspective you’ve never seen before.
Part I: Starts 9 minutes 45 seconds into the movie.
This is about religion and it’s origins in ancient days. I’m not a religious person so I didn’t take away a whole lot from this part. Most of it makes perfect sense to me but if you’re religious then I’m sure you’ll have alternate views.
Part II: Starts 37 minutes into the movie.
This is about 9/11 and how our government was in on the plot. A lot of you may have seen some other 9/11 conspiracy films but this one I think is far more in depth and really has some good points.
Part III: Starts 1 hour 11 minutes into the movie.
This is about the Federal Reserve and IRS. For those of you who do not know, the Federal Reserve is as Federal as this website is. Having the name “Federal” does not mean it’s part of our government. It is actually a contractor for our government just like the IRS.
The movie is 2 hours long so if you don’t have time to watch all of it then you should watch the third part at least and maybe watch the other parts when you have time. It will open your eyes and you might see things in a whole new light much different than what you’ve been taught since the day you were born.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Here is a great interview with Aaron Russo for those of you who think everything is a conspiracy.
wow i cried during this movie thats how eye opening it is
So why isn’t “the revolution” happening yet?
The first part of this movie was a steaming pile of crap. They hardly back anything they say up, and if they do, it’s quoting some crackpot asshat off the street.
I mean COME ON, shit about being born on Dec 25th for most deities?! They didn’t even use a GREGORIAN CALENDER back then.
The first part, where they were outrightly lying to me just ruined the rest for it. How can I trust anything this person says?
I completely beleive it and feel that someday soon our government will wipeout any freedom we have to watch things that tell us the truth. I feel like a completely better person after watching it. I will be posting signs everywhere, trying to get the word out.What word ? THE TRUTH !!
Yes, the religious part was totally false! It sounds convincing because it’s full of made up statistics. Seriously, research what they say about the deities. LIES!
Okay, if you’ve found counter-evidence about the religion thing, feel free to link it.
The lack of a Gregorian calendar has nothing to do with it. They were using that as a reference point. What’s significant is the proximity to the winter solstice, the rebirth of the sun.
TRUTH and DEBUNKER are simply wrong. Regardless of what calendar was used in the past, the fact is that the Egyptians celebrated Horus’s birth and Gnostics celebrated Mithra’s birth at the end of what we now call December. The actual name of the month is irrelevant; it’s the idea that these 2 religions, as well as many others, used the Winter Solstice as the birthdate of their deities. Hence, the ancient Christians, who were heavily-influenced by the Gnostics, chose that date as well. If TRUTH and DEBUNKER actually took the time to research Part I of Zetgeist, they would see that it is very much true.
What they said about religion is perfectly true. Religions (like all stories) are not original ; they’re copied. And yes, the clergy is only after money - can’t think of an example when church actually gave money.
The banking part is also true - war is death for some, but good profit for others.
If you are wondering about the December 25 coincidence, keep in mind it has nothing to do with the calender… They are all related by the winter solstice, and Orion’s belt and Sirius pointing where the sun will rise a few days later, which have occured at the same time each year for thousands of years (Dec 22 and Dec 24 according to our gregorian calender)
The religious part is NOT a lie! It may have questionable things in it, but it is a very well presented point of view of one side. If you want to talk about lies and slanted point of views, look at the bible!
Everyone should watch this movie. Don’t take it as fact. Take it with a grain of salt. But, watch it, dammit!
i didn’t agree with some of the stuff in this film, and i felt that some of the manner in which it was presented was somewhat manipulative. regardless, i encourage people’s attempts to learn as much as possible and decide things for themselves.
i also just wanted to point out that you don’t need a gregorian calendar to claim that your diety was born on the third day after the winter solstice.
This is without doubt the most disturbing, horrifying film I’ve ever seen. I saw it Tuesday night and have not been able to sleep since. If it is fact (and I’m inclined to believe it unless someone can prove otherwise) then what are we to do? It made me cry, out of despiar and hopelessness. What is our future to be?
It is the last third of the film which is the part which upset me. The first two thirds presents information I was long ago familiar with (the Christianity stuff is very old but fascinating). . . still can’t quite bring myself to commit 100% to the idea that 9/11 attacks were the work of our govt . . . though I definitely don’t buy the official story, too many unanswered questions . . .watching Bush/Cheney refuse to answer questions about what he knew about 9/11 with any record or cameras or documentation broke my heart. His flippant response to a reporter’s questioning about whether he owed the victims’ families the truth (what is he hiding?) is pure evil. It makes my blood crudle to even think about it.
Either reclaim the govt and revamp the money system or start colonizing life on another planet. That may be our only hope.
I am just stuned and mad as hell about the bank part WE ARE CONTROLLED and thats the worst part, forget the god part, you are not seeing the BIG PICTURE
Well… I just paused the video at the end of the first part, to comment some important points.
OK. All of this, since it’s about astrology, is true, as astrology is a true sience.
BUT : it’s a very very bad conclusion, especially nowdays, to try to discredit religions, and specially cristianity.
Where the theory exposed there fails badly, is that, if astrology can explain things that appeared hidden, there is not ONLY astrology as traditionnal science, and anyway, astrology CAN’T explain spirituality, only metaphysics can do that, because, spirituality is exactly the relationship between our (phisical) world and it’s principles that are not from it, but out of our space/time world, thus they make it exist…
(that’s the “immobile motor” of Aristoteles, that makes moving without moving itself, this is the wheel’s axis of hindou and muslim tradition, the axis without there is no movement, but the axis stays fixed… think: it has only two dimensions, between two points… points that has no extension, they aren’t even part of the space, thus there is no space without the point… That’s a geometrical aspect of metaphysique. No space without the point, but the (and each!!) point is outta space! And tha point is everywhere… virtually and effectively (it’s also the middle of the cross) it’s in us and in everything. Without it : nothing of our world.
One more example : the number “1″. Primus(latin), prime, prince, etc. this is the first number, right? But there isn’t 2 or 3 etc. thus every other number (I mean real numbers, positive entires in maths.) is potentially in it, endlessly…
So what have all the geometrical point and the “1″ in common ?
All two are the very first determination of quantities.
The point presides the continous quantity (space), and the “1″ the discontinous quantity of numbers (you may object decimals and others, but they aren’t just real numbers, right? they serve only as intermediates (in calculs) of the continous quantity…)
Well, and, what before them? Before the “1″… you know as well, it’s the “zero”(witch comes from the medieval arabic and means “number”… strange, isn’t it?
The zero is before the first determination… that’s all I can say. And what is before the point, I don’t know either… maybe something like the antic grec “chaos” which means all of the possibilities, but not yet developped (like in an egg, the egg of the world).
Well, I didn’t spoke about time… because time just not really exists… (am I crazy?)
No, time is just a view of the change. You might observe that time may seem (in a human point of view, but finally thats the only real, right?) less or more “quick”, it depends the amount of event happening and recognized… the regular tik-tak time, the abstract “always equal” time reported by machines is just a mess. Think, in one year today happens much much more than hundred years ago…etc.
Most decisively : you can’t even mesure the time othervise like a movement (of any kind). Time reflects the change in the (our)world.
I did not mention it before as a metaphysical concept because it is deductible from continous and discontinous quantity (space and change of state).
OK. this is just an overview of what real metaphisics is.
Theses all are explained (and much more…) in ancient (true)traditions.
Religions like, catholic, islamic, hindou, tao… contain theses knowledges, even if they don’t put it in frontplan to everybody… that’s inside it (this is specifically the meaning of “esoteric”, not to confuse withit’s actual very abused use. anyway, many many words, specially those who touches to theses things are misused today).
So, to return to the movie, even if the points explained are true, that does not mean that other formes of the truth are just false or are symply lies or “parodies”.
Would that mean, that every tradition that complies with theses numbers and signes are only PARODIES ? (Mithra, Krishna, Jesus… etc)
Of course not. Theses are(or were) manifestations of the truth at their time among us, living people at this time. You can’t take the astrological, synthetic view, and through away everything else.
Worse, this way to proceed, does the work for the opposit side (Seth, Satan, darkness, whatever…). This is by no means to serve the truth, but another way to destroy it.
Please be aware, that if things are really true in the film, in the astrological view, this turns into darkness if they want to destroy the actual light in the name of a very limited point of view. If you don’t tell the WHOLE truth, you just lie…
If this might be the “new age philosophy”… I am very sad about that.
Plenty of true single elements… thus a very dangerous and Tradition destroying conclusion.
OK. I saw the first part until now, but really it’s conclusion hurts the truth itself.
Well, folks, watch out not to throw out the baby with the bath…
Don’t become a victim of the upcoming “great imitator”…
If a new age is coming, it’s surely not this way.
Never forget, before it comes, there will be “false” one.
If you want more infos you can write to roger 777 999 at yahoo com
Cheers.(and sorry folks for my bad english)
Can you make a clear documentary out of what you just said, because I’m just not understanding the link between the numerical metaphysics thing you’re trying to express and the supposed benefits religious authorities brought to humanity?
Hi The Beast.
By a brief overview of this aspects of metaphysics, I just tried to demonstrate what real spirituality is : principles of our space-time world, that are actually not space-time entities (formal or even less corporal entities). These entities are for example angels, structuring the universe, just like “Gabriel” or even “Lucifer”(the beast ;).
And at the origin of all, there is the Principle (the first of all being that produced logically all the others, just in the numerical example)… All of this, is a logical necessity, following the numerical or geometrical examples above. And, for sure, mathematics are the ultimate abstraction of our universe (see : every physical science has to use it).
Right.
Now, there is not about benefits here, if that’s not the benefit of living by considering truth. That’s actually religion, that’s it’s original vocation (from the latin “religere”=) to link together our (space-time)state of existance, with those of its principles, and specially with the Principle itself.
Whatever ever people have done or are doing in the name of religion, and even if there are a lot false “church” today, the principle of true religion was and remains the same : to link together “this world” with it’s principles, that means, to live in accordance with “the law” wich is nothing else that a “users manual” for human being, to live as happy as possible. It’s by no means a “jail” as many people falsly imagine… but of course it has to be applied correctly.
That law, in hindu sanskrit “rita” is the “tao”, the way, perpetuated by the “ritual” built into (real true) religions.
Well, you have to know, that I have no intention to “convert” anybody to anything.
Those who can and who want to understand, will do so.
But, as “error is human”, many won’t. And that’s all natural…
Your second post was a lot clearer thanks Gabriel
and very close to the mark as well.
I find the first part a good insight into the way people have been manipulated into fear and war through religion (among other things) in the pursuit of more power. I still believe in some sort of spiritual “Good” and “Evil” forces and find it a little disturbing that my vague recollections (from church as a child) of some of the new testaments prophecies seem to be well on the way to fruition…. however general they may be.
If you look at the last part of the movie and the very disturbing part about where we are heading as far as being a one government world, all branded with these chips that have total control over us, it bears a remarkable resemblance to the “mark of the beast” that guarantees a hard time if you refuse it, and eternal damnation if you succumb. Especially when it is evident that most bar codes clearly contain 666 in them for no apparent reason, therefore fitting this “mark of the beast” comparison so well.
What’s a person supposed to believe?
All I can hope is that there is some end justice and that these people who succumb to greed and power at the enormous cost of human life and freedom in general, are made to pay for it in some way befitting of such a crime, be it here or in the afterlife.
The message is clear, and people need to make sure they keep an open mind and not believe whatever the TV feeds them. REAL education needs to be a priority in this age where useless information is way too abundant.
Funny bit of info on the religious bit….Jesus’s actual birthdate was in the Spring season and not related at all to the solstace…the only reason that Christmas is celebrated then is because one of the popes of the Catholic Church(which we all know is corrupted) decided to stop the pagan people’s yearly ritual of the rising of the sun again…so what this tells me about the guy that made this movie is that he really never dug too deep in his research of the Christian religion….It’s also funny that he specifically targets Christianity and none of the other world religions of today…sure he mentions some, but he is really trying to attack Christianity which is not an unbiased search for the truth. An unbiased search for the truth would allow Christianity, or any other religion for that matter, to be true until proven false…….
Another note that should be made….The second part of the movie is pretty good, but I will not say whether or not I believe it because neither the movie nor the official statement truly makes sense….but i would like to add that the pancake theory was discarded after awhile by the people researching what made the towers fall…Those people say the true reason that the towers fell and into themselves is that the floor beams were heated up so that they were flexible and they pulled in the outer supports until the outer supports broke and the thing started to fall….btw if the government was behind it they would not have allowed the people inside the chance to escape and tell the story of how the government had to be involved….I am also confused as to why the British part of the movie is in there….all that tells me is that if there are terrorists they have the ability to infiltrate the government and find out when the best time to strike would be…for example a day when the military is running anti terror drills
As to the third part of the movie….well i suppose it seems plausible although you should test all things to make sure that what you believe is the truth…. Oh and I also thought that I would share an ironic bit of information with all of you who will read this….It just so happens that the man who the maker of this movie believes never existed(Jesus) spoke out against the evils that interest and especially compound interest would bring to this world…It would seem that he knew what he was talking about..
I agree very much with Dre and what he has to say….especially the part about education….for instance did you know that even though much of the modern world believes in evolution the basis is not of facts, but rather of ridicule for religion and the ‘fact’ that they all have to be wrong….Just to give you an example I will use the sun. At first it was believed that the sun was a big burning chunk of coal. This of course was proved false because the sun would have burnt out before now. The next thing was that the sun was believed to be burning up a substance and therefore continually shrinking. This idea is actually very credible, but it was then discarded because it only allowed for something like 30,000 years to have elapsed and that information did not fit well with the newly developed idea of evolution. So evolutionists came up with the theory that the sun is basically a big nuclear reactor and this idea gave the sun the lifetime that was needed to allow for evolution. One big problem with this theory is that in all nuclear reactions..whether fission or fusion…there should be little neutrinos that are given off by the reaction and in fact there should be countless numbers of them if that is what the sun is…This is where the problem happens…these evolutionists never found any neutrinos when they tried to measure for them and they then declared that the neutrinos had to change there state of being when they reached earth. However they had no evidence to back this up, but it is still taught in schools today. Wierd, isn’t it.
The movie, which deals with unpleasant truths, was not made for bible believers. If you’re going to let your church dominate you and take your money, it follows that you will permit your banks, arms dealers, gov’t, and media to do the same. The truth will always be availalble in some form, always in competition with the popular myths and mass manipulating lies of the age.
What people are missing is the fact that, God does not do EVERYTHING.
Points in this movie say, the Bible has copies of things in them, is it not possible that say, when the 10 commandments were said to the group, word could have gotten to Egypt and than they copied it down?
And this movie will be debunked over and over again until every fact of evidence is reversed. There are some impossibly great Historians out there that could fix this in half a second if they wanted to by naming off fact.
This movie is a waste of time, and everyone will forget about it soon, no need to worry about something so useless.
http://www.consideringtheuniverse.com/blog/zeitgeist/
Who made the movie????
We can all agree it was very well produced and contructed; which takes both talent and financial support. Basement conspiracy guys? Not likely. Foreign intel agency? Probable. Domestic intel agency? Probable. The Fed Reserve itself? Probable. Anyone have any idea??
Well i think that if we could get ahold of tom the owner of myspace, and have him publicize this video that will then bring in millions of people that would become aware of this!
Like said before by others- you need to take this movie with a grain of salt. It is one person’s view of the world today, not necessarily the whole truth.
After watching the movie Loose Change (recommend to watch) about the conspiracy of 9/11, I was totally convinced that it was plotted by the American Government. However, I’ve been taught that you need to do your own research, and own fact finding to see what you believe.
I would suggest that no one immediately drop their religion, or make a snap decision on the events of 9/11.
I personally believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy set up by the American Government. I also believe in God and have a spiritual side of me. Yes, this movie did bring some light to my knowledge, and I will factor that in as I continue my faith.
Don’t take this at face value- you’ll only be lying to yourself…isn’t that what this movie is trying to prevent?
This kind of movie doesn’t need any kind of financing. All it takes is research and a lot of time on your hand, a computer and a video editing software.Pat one of his dealing with religion was not inaccurate as some people claim, it just follows one of the theories of the origin of Christianity (whether or not Jesus existed, whether or not he died on the cross etc… ) both the astrology and the description of Per-Christian religion is accurate.
The rest of the film was very well made if paranoid at time. I have not done enough research to verify or debunk most of the claims in this, however, there are two.
1. Abdulziz al-Omari was not the name of the person that the FBI wrongly named as a hijacker. Abdul Rahman al-Omari was wrongly named and then later cleared and the FBI name Abdulziz al-Omari.
2. Two security tape from the Pentagon were released in 2006 (but I’m not sure if this film was made before that ). The are 1 frame per second and therefore don’t clearly show an airplane. However, 5 years in the hand of the CIA and an elephant dressed as Rambo could have done the same thing, and Bush would swear on it!
From a womans point of view firstly, I see organized religion as any groups way of suppressing women and more over people. I am not educated fully on the origins of today’s organized religion so I can’t judge the information . I am from a third world country and have lived in the US for a good part of my life. My country’s economy was crushed by the US and the UK and they push and strengthen racism to keep it down. Why? This was because of their fear and misunderstanding of a social democracy and fear of it becoming communist . My country Guyana(South America), is now very poor and has lost of crime and racism. I am not surprised about what I’ve hear on this video! I have faced racism in my own country because I am mixed, treated like I am of a very poor class because my skin was dark in Latin, Caribbean countries, I am sure in the future in Asian and in Ireland I am mostly been isolated and treated very coldly by a large percentage of Irish people outside of Dublin and we Americans aren’t looked upon as very smart to the average Irish public and to most europeans.
The way I see it is their are a few people all over the world who are associated with each other and they run the world media, have control of medication, money and even ourlives. They abandoned , create or start crisis for their own financial benefits. The worse part about this is we are playing into their hands and fighting each other whether because of race, creed, nationality or natural resources etc. For the most part we will never wake up! Look at the wars, lots of people starving while other go to the moon and buy i phones, racism(ex.Jenna 6). They need this and most of first world countries need this because without racism, racial hierarchies, and third world countries. Who would pick our lettuce, or work 12 hours day in very poor work facilities for less than 70 cents a day to make your clothes? Or worse go to any extent , even prostituting their own kidsand themselves, to make money to survive!
The creator of the film has decided to remain anonymous, for various reasons.
I don’t believe in anything. This is truth. This is freedom.
This is for “Great Idea”: I hope you are intending to be ironic with your MySpace proposal, since MySpace is owned/controlled by Rupert Murdoch, the man who controls most of the world’s media (as indicated in the Zeitgeist film)!
I respect the work that went into this film. Yes 911 was a plot .
I agree michael. Believe none of what you hear, 1/4 of what you see 1/2 of what you can touch, and come to your own conclussions from that.
The reason the revolution is not happening is because people are too lazy to do anything. Also, the majority of the population feels there is nothing wrong with this world. What we need to do is to start a revolution by ourselves. Basically, we have to get out there instead of sitting on our asses everyday doing nothing. We also have to sacrifice a lot of things to do this. You have to sacrifice your job, your family, your schooling, your everyday schedual to get a revolution started. To have a revolution, you must truly want it, or nothing is going to happen. I’m willing to sacrifice my entire life for a movement so great it would change the world, as long as I’m not one of the unimportant people who are just in the parade. >_> I would like to change the world for the better being in power, of one country. A world government is a stupid ass idea. Anyway, for those of you who don’t think that Zeitgeist lists all it’s sources, or they made up things or got it from one source, check out their complete source. You can find it at zeitgeistmovie.*com under transcript.
why have so many people fought, suffered, and died at the stories told from religion? could it be that this movie just points out that people suffer because of a lie we’ve been coerced into believing. this movie does a great job of being credible, and the more people are aware of this movie, the better humanity could be as a whole. TELL EVERYONE ABOUT THIS!
no answeres, no taxes. we need an organized push of LOT OF PEOPLE to stpo paying their income tax and keep it for themselves .they worked for it, IT’S THEIR MONEY.
ron paul ‘08. end the IRS. keep your money
but I’m a little hesitant to have my name associated with any discussion of this movie or theories of gov involvement in 911.
Because I liked the movie.
Sure, it’s agit-prop. Some agit-prop is well done. This was well done agit-prop.
But the best thing about the movie was what it was TRYING to say. It just didn’t do a perfect job of saying it: there are “official” stories/myths that come to define groups of people and if you want to be a member-in-good-standing of your group you can’t question those stories/myths even if you and everybody else knows they are completely fantasy.
They show how you can apply that to all sorts of stupid things that some of us just take for “gospel”.
The 911 thing, tho, is a little different. We really wanted an explanation. Some kind of explanation. We didn’t get anything. They didn’t even try. Even several commission members made disparaging statements about the report. Not to mention how the administration pulled out all the stops to make sure nobody, press or police, sniffed around.
So now anybody that has a question about who, what, where, when, why or how some of the strange events happened is automatically a tin-hatted retard.
Everybody thinks you guys are freakin’ retards and all that you want is for the guys we put in power to just give us a definitive explanation even if it’s an obvious lie. They won’t even do that. They don’t even try to fake it anymore.
I ain’t scared a nuthin! But I don’t want anyone to think of me as a retard for simply wanting an explanation.
the movie was so eye opening it almost made me cry.
i already thought religion was something made up by people who needed explanations for the phenomenons they couldn´t explain. but i don´t know, seeing it all so clearly made me really angry at religion, at human kind and at the world. i was never religious, but recieved a jewish education for almost 2 years, and now i feel like… betrayed. i never really believed in the bible but that was a matter of lack of faith, now i have solid proof that it´s all a bunch of crap.
and regarding the 9/11, there´s absolutely no doubt it was a gov. conspiracy. i realy don´t understand people who still thinks “terrorists” are to blame. Bush and Bin laden are probably having dinner together, drinking some beers and laughing at us.
sorry, i meant a recived i jewish education for almost 20 years.
Interesting movie, most of it is true…. but the first part, about Jesus, shows an obvious detest from the maker of the film towards christianity. I must admit, the parallels this movie had drawn between Jesus and horus did freak me out a little, but as I delved into the claims and similarities that it portrayed, it became apparent that the myths about horus, his deeds, his history… were being manipulated, even falsified, to appear as if they were exactly the same as that of Jesus Christ.
Its funny how the movie places great emphasis on how the bible is based on astrology, the stars, when the bible places no great emphasis on them, even denouncing their worship in many places of the bible. Infact god even mockingly asks if the star gazers can actually protect those who follow them from the real god (isaiah 47:13).
The movie also draws attention to the number 12 appearing many times in the Bible, supposedly refering to the 12 zodiacal signs…. the 12 patriarchs, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 desciples. etc etc. The book of Genesis was written around 1000BC, with the event taking place even earlier…. the fact is the devision of the stars/constellations into the detailed 12 zodiac signs did not occur until the time of the Babylonians, around the second to fifth century BC….
If you do your research on horus, you will see that the author of this movie makes some ‘mistakes’ and stupid assumptions:
- horus was born to isis, but where is the mary connection? no egyptian scriptures even come close to that connection. Also she was not a virgin, she was the widow of osiris, who conceived horus with isis.
- horus was actually born during the month of Khoiak, October or November, not December 25th… btw Jesuses birth-date, was never assigned in the bible.
- horus was never visited by a star, or three kings… i dont know where these guys get their info…. and jesus was never visited by kings, but by magi, and the number of magi was NEVER actually stated.
This movie takes extreme liberties, for example:
(about horuses baptism) The only accounts even remotely related to horus and water, are stories of osiris whos body was cut into pieces and scattered throught the earth.
he never had a ministry, horus had four demi gods, 16 humans, and blacksmiths for battles.
They say that horus was crucified, but with horus originating in 3000BC, he actually predates the invention of crucifiction!
the only time horus is actually resurected, is by isis and is made the lord of the underworld.
So there you have it… this part of the film, an anti-christian rhetoric.. either points to an unjustified detest of christianity by the creator for whatever reason, or a misplaced assumption… for whatever reason i thank the creator… for the challenge.
as for the one world government, forgive my slang but, “duh” how very obvious, terroris, war, global warming, its all a scare, to make the masses entrust the leaders. FIGHT THE POWER.
I have made a new ideologi of truth. The truth is a great unity of all the philosophy, art and religion in the world. It’s only diffrent aspects of it.
We have to get out of this mad culture. The truth is the only way to do that. This revolution will be an inner revolution.
Well is very impressionant the way that this people say the things behind the goverment, but I got the feelin’ that got involve much of the way of thing of “the new age”, and is a shame because that position parcialize the opinion because I don’t belive in angels and this tendence of “new age” seems something strange and mystic, but I like that someboby could help me in that search cos I’m not sure if this is “new age” completely or no.
Also: Escuse my english is not to good, I hope that you understand!!!
My Eyes Are Open, The Revolution will not come on its own.
I watched it and was not very impressed at all.
First of all, everything in this movie has already been done 8 ways to Sunday (a 9-11 conspiracy?? NO WAY!!). The whole “shock value” presentation of it would be more effective if this wasn’t the 459th documentary like this of the past fricken year.
It’s easy to whip together something slick and impress a bunch of people who aren’t used to thinking critically. I regard the 9-11 part with particular skepticism; for everything it claims to expertly tell you, there are other expert sources that will tell you the exact opposite.
The movie seems to want to warn you about falling for the brain washing of general society…by way of brain washing you to the creators’ agenda. Ironic, no? Don’t believe everything you see, here, read anywhere…including this movie.
I haven’t seen the film yet (it’s downloading as I type), but I dont’ think I need to. As an Aussie, I already KNEW about 9/11 (our media was stifled as well, but not nearly as effectively as the US has experienced during the BUSH regime) and the Federal Reserve bank. As an open-minded enquirer, who tries very hard to question everything and assume nothing, I came to my own conclusions around the same time Dan Brown released ‘The Da Vinci Code’ and made millions from peddaling the same idea, at the near expense of credibility (his and it’s)…
You shouldnt stress that all religions are evil though…that is an assumption and can be proven to be wrong. Most often, it is a focus on the material that is the cause of all evil…that and ignorance.
I was an Atheist, but thanks to this movie; I am now a firm believer in Christ!
man..you people are really gullable. what’s ironic is the documentary is about people believing what’s put before them and everyone is doing exactly that with the documentary itself.. who made this guys claims the alpha and omega, the absolute truth and fact? Because he said all these parrallels exit between ancient pagan religions and christianity they without a doubt do, and to the very extent that they completely shatter the christian faith? Maybey try doing some research of your own before converting or “blindly believing” I’d provide a great site for you all, directly adressing this issue and ruling it out as an even valid arguement for christianity’s non existance but urls are not allowed
Whether or not any of you believe the movie or not it is not about that. the movie sends a clear message of our views as authority as truth instead of truth as authority. when we listen to what is told to us that is where we have failed. we must see the world as one and a world at war with itself is doomed. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. we cant live like this much longer or we will be our own doomsday
Ok guys, simple truths:
and there’s that ‘free will’ thing too!
Religion - All roads lead to Rome
Education - Look around! The kid at Mc D’s can’t make change unless the computer tells him/her!!! Scary…
War - Duh - it’s always been profitable, what makes our ‘civilization’ any different?
Chipped and loving it? NOT - Brave New World - read the book! Fortunately the technology currently for ‘chipping’ is still lacking but hey it won’t take them long.
After thoughts/rough Quotes:
Follow those seeking truth, run from those who have found it… Mark Twain
You must be the change you wish to see in the world… Gandhi
Last one on a personal note that may help us all through this -
Resentment is like taking posion and hoping the other person dies!… Author Unknown
Enough of my musings, we all have alot of work to do. We do NOT have to ‘go quietly into the night’!!!
That the Gospel makes no mention whatsoever as to the date of the birth of Jesus, yes? It was a date that was selected due to it’s existing significance. That has no bearing whatsoever on the veracity of the gospels themselves because it is a criticism of information that is not included in this. The fact that the movie fails to mention this seemingly relevant fact tells you right away that the motivation behind it’s production is not the propagation of truth, although the first seven letter of that “P” word are found in the word that more accurately describes what the film is about.
I am in a revolutionary mood. Who is with me?
The Mission Statement of the World:
Written in the hearts and minds of every man, woman, and child
Self-Realization is the purpose for mankind. It is the key to total freedom and spirit of community. It is the goal of personal development; the Enlightenment that we all are searching for! With it, we will not only be the most of what we can be, but we are also one with eachother and the rest of mankind. To use religious terms, Man was created to be an image of God and Man´s obligation is to fulfill God´s purpose. This self-realization is now the most crucial and important thing that we have to master. We can all succeed at is we just make the smallest of efforts.
Self-realization is found on a theoretical level through the study of art, religion and philosophy. Art
gives an aesthetic picture of reality as it really is, but it can be hard to grasp at times for some people.
Religion is a good way to gain understanding of eternity, but focus must be shifted away from the
cultural preferences, which are the center of most religions today. The worship must also be directed
towards eternity (or God) as it really is: beyond every cultural conception. The cultural conceptions
only make people argue about the true nature of eternity or God. We have to understand that eternity and God´s true nature is beyond our words. Many important things have been misunderstood when people try to force their personal interpertations on others with poorly chosen words.
This is where philosophy comes in: to clarify what is true through logic and thought. Philosophy is a way to take reality and form it into ideas that have meaning outside the cultural understanding of this world. The goal of this way of thinking is to throw off the shackles of the mass cultural understanding of “how the world is supposed to” be by taking steps in changing the way one sees the world. Only when a person frees himself from this mass cultural understanding of the world is he able to fully free himself. When this same person does not strive for this change, he is able to be constantly manipulated and controlled by outside forces and becomes a product of his environment because he does not understand himself—let alone see and understand the world around him for what it really is! A person who truly understands himself is in harmony with the universe thus making him completely independent and therefore resistant to negative outside forces. Examples of this independence throughout history ranges from Greek philosophers: Socrates and Diogenes to Jesus, Buddha, and in modern times, Ghandi. Most saints and some other holy people are good examples of true independence.
The emphasis and focus in society should be on each individual person and their self-realization instead of on economic growth as it has been for the past several hundred years. To explain the significance look at this concept clearly, one must draw a metaphor to a cathedral that has lasted throughout the ages. To build a cathedral, something beautiful, powerful and immense, there needs to be some economic focus to provide the raw materials needed to build the entire structure. But the cathedral is nothing without the brilliant minds to create it and invision its towering arches and huge stained-glass windows. These brilliant minds are so vast that they can come up with their own way of economically managing their endeavor. If the economic growth and gathering of raw materials is the most important, then there will be a pile of useless rubble in the place of this cathedral; an extremely large and growing pile of rubble—something useless all the same. Our culture is so focused on this economical growth that the people of the society do not see much else than a pile of rubble. Everything becomes one unenjoyable routine and the beauty of life dissapates into the background. If the society begins to value enlightenment and encouraging growth in the minds of its people, then not only will it be able to build the most beautiful cathedral the world has ever seen, but it can provide its own raw materials as well! There is no losing with the refocusing of a society off of economic growth and on to intellectual development.
Because the growth in the minds that make up the Western societies has been so deftly curbed, material possessions mean to others than a person´s substance! Look at our popular celebrities! Owning more land, cars, clothes, shoes, jewels, etc. does not lead to happiness though popular opinion dictates otherwise. Mankind must understand this as it begins to see that society needs to direct itself towards a new goal. The sooner everyone sees this, the quicker change is brought about to make humans closer to natural harmonies with not only the world around them, but eachother as well. What we all face now is the destruction of our world due to the insecurities of the people in it. We see the negative slowly overcoming all that is good though so many identical attempts for economic freedoms and material possessions.
Things can change. It only takes one person to tip the scale to change the world for the best.
David,
ME!! I’m with you 100000000000%! Amen, Blessed Be, Nameste, ect…. Brother!!!!
I have never seen such a logical yet compassionate statement. You’ve said it all with eloquence and strength. Thank you. I’ve been trying to explain this view to others for years however, my passion lends the ’soapbox’ feel, anihliating the message. I’ve toned it down a bit over the years. Know that I’ll be sharing your response with family/friends to say ‘there! That’s what I’m talking about!’.
This movie has validated much of my own thoughts on religion. Bought up a Catholic, I had to go to church. Even at a young age, I thought it was a load of bull.
In regard to 9/11, I always wondered….. and when US went into Iraq, I was the only one I know saying it was for the oil. Finally no one thinks I am a nut anymore.
The Federal Banks and “no law” saying we have to pay tax is new to me, and really makes me angry. What can we do about this one?
How can we, the masses around the world, unite? Surely there is some power in numbers? There is alot of work to be done to stop the possibilty of what this movie suggests will happen. But how?
Wow. I can’t believe the bad logic and bad science that scoots by as truth. This film claims to want to only present truth and then let you decide. Then it begins with a stone carving the it claims is from “10,000 BC”. Sorry, that is an assumption. I don’t believe there even was a 10,000 BC and no one has been able to prove it. So, if they begin with an assumption that big, how can I accept the rest of what they say?
Chopper, sorry about your upbringing. I am a Christian, but do not consider myself religious. Christianity ain’t about religion or any one church. It’s about a relationship between you and Jesus.
THANKS TO THIS MOVIE IVE RESEARCHED MY BIBLE AND WENT TO MY PASTOR WITH QUESTIONS AND HE COULD NOT ANSWER THEM HE JUST TOLD ME TO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS. BUT MY FAITH NEVER GOT ME A BIG HOUSE LIKE THE PASTORS, AND I WONDERED WHY HE COULDNT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS MOVIE. HE THEN SHOUTED TO ME AND SAID THAT I DONT HAVE FAITH. FUNNY THOUGH WHEN I WENT TO A MOSLEM GUY I KNEW”A SO CALLED TERROIST” HE SAID THE INFO I SAW IN THE MOVIE WAS CORRECT AND THAT I SHOULD STUDY MORE AND DONT EVEN LISTEN TO ANYONE HE SAID NOT EVEN WHAT I SAY JUST STUDY. MAN MUCH DIFFERENT FROM MY PASTOR. NEEDLESS TO SAY IM NOW STUDING MORE AND ALSO IM STUDING THE RELIGION OF ISLAM WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAW IN THE MOVIE BUT WARNS OF WORRSHIPING THOSE THINGS THAT ARE INFUSED IN CHRISTIANTY,MY EYES ARE OPEN IM STILL FOLLOW JESUS BUT NOT IN THE WAY I USED TO THANKS TO THIS MOVIE.
I MUST ADD WHAT I ALSO FOUND OUT, THAT JESUS IS A MAN NOT GOD!!,LIKE I BELIEVED, CHECK DIS OUT, WOULD YOU DONATE SPERM TO YOUR DAUGHTER IF SHE COULDNT HAVE KIDS THATS SICK RIGHT? CAUSE YA DAUGHTER IS LIKE YOU AND YA WIFES CREATION SO IF GOD IS AGAINST FORNICATION WHY DID MARY A VIRGIN CARRY GODS ONLY SON? MARRY WAS NOT MARRIED, SO THAT MEANS THAT GOD SPIRITUALLY FORNICATED WITH HIS OWN CREATION TO HAVE (LISTEN TO THIS) A BASTARD CHILD!! JESUS WAS A BASTARD. GOD WAS A BASTARD CHILD OF HIS OWN CREATION? DID GOD ENJOY THE SPIRITUAL FORNICATION? HOW LONG DID THE SPIRITUAL SEX LAST? HOW BIG IS GODS SPRITUAL PENIS HOW WET WAS MARRY??
THIS IS SICK!!! THE DEVEL TEMPTED JESUS. HOW CAN THE DEVIL WHO GOD CREATED TEMPT GOD?? IF JESUS CAME TO DIE FOR OUR SINS AND HE KNEW THIS WHY WAS HIS DYING WORDS ON THE CROSS “FATHER WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME” ?? WHAT THE HELL ?? SHOULDNT HE SAY IM READY SEE YOU GUYS LATER? AND IF JESUS IS GOD WHO THE HELL WAS HE PRAYING TO ON THE CROSS HIS SELF? “MY SELF WHY HAS MY SELF FORSAKEN MY SELF?? THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED MY PASTOR AND HE GOT ANGRY. HE SAID IDIDNT UNDERSTAND AND THAT IT GETS CONFUSING WHEN TRYING TO UNDERSTAND GOD! BUT THE BIBLE SAYS GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION!! I KNOW ABOUT FORNICATION I KNOW ABOUT BASTARD CHILDREN, WHY WOULD GOD DO THESE THINGS ( DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO) IVE LOST MY BELIEF IN THE BIBLE THE B.I.B.L.E. STANDS FOR BAD INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE DIS TIME TO SAY FUCK MY PASTOR
AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME GET THIS OFF MY CHEST
Funny how so many of you are so easily swayed that you believe something just because it’s in “movie” format on the internet. Think for yourself; don’t let an internet shockumentary scare you about anything.
For those of you who have come to the conclusion that you’re “controlled” or “powerless,” stop playing victim and blaming everyone else for where you are in life. Maybe if you got off your butt and spent less time fooling around on the internet you’d get somewhere.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!
Even if this film is only 1% true then that 1% is so disturbing people should know about it.
The religion section can be still be debated but the info on 911 & the World Banks should NOT be ignored. These people are making decisions that effect all our lives & as a consequence ALOT of people have died!
Even if you don’t believe all of the movie please just let people know you have watched it & ask them to watch it also, it is only with all the sides of the story that you can even start to make an informed decision. Don’t ONLY believe what is on the evening news, try looking outside the box also.
You people are idiots.. as are most other people in this country. And that fact alone is why we are in such a sad state.. the 1% of non-idiots take advantage on the other 99% idiots. No way to change this.
I watched this movie last week with my friend. After the first part, I paused the movie and proceeded to do about two hours of research online. I am not a religious person at all, and I question the basis for many religions. As much as I am willing to listen to all points of view and attempt to gather as much insight from different perspectives as I can, I find movies like this as baseless propaganda.
There were so few facts involved in the first part of this movie that the rest of the movie is less believable. I am still researching the 2nd and 3rd parts.
The first part had one fact that was true about the story of the “Great Flood” appearing in many religions. But the Great Flood is an historic fact and there are many stories from all around the globe as different civilizations tried to rationalize what happened. There is a building consensus that the cause of the Great Flood was a meteor striking the Indian Ocean southeast of Madagascar. If this is true, does this indicate God does not exist? I couldn’t conclude that.
The reason that we celebrate Jesus’s birthday on Dec. 25th (and I’m sure others have pointed this out), is the Catholic Church changed the “date” to be at that time. It was religious politics (battling with other religions).
This is enough for now, but I will post more later.
Forums like this can generate mobility. But just one problem. Nobody left me an email to reach them. If you would like to start a movement, we can do so by holding private screenings of this movie. On March 15th, Z Day takes place. You can partake by showing Zeitgeist to your friends. Or, even better, you can offer tickets and show it to as many as possible.
If you would like to reach out to someone who demands change…email me: weekangolf@gmail
After researching Nicholas Rockefeller, I find it striking that he successfully launched his first cashless society in China. This man needs to be interviewed under oath, regarding his ambitions.
Interesting:
-Cheney in charge of FAA Sept/11
-$23 billion dollars went missing from Iraq
-Osama Bin Laden confession to attacks, not even him
-IN JFK’s speech in the movie, is he speaking about communism, or Democracy (lol)
-No plane ever witnessed in Shanksville, or Pentagon
-Beams cut @ WTC….I would imagine the preparation started Friday night…everyone leaves, then they have the wknd to install explosives thruoghout floors. Surely, if someone was putting that much ‘Thermite’, or explosives in these buildings, a trace must have been left. Do any surrounding business have footage of trucks arriving at WTC on Friday, or Saturday. If, as suspected, these bombs were placed, we are talking about over 100 stories times 2. This is a major operation, which must have left evidence if it is true.
In the Movie, there are small explosions at the sides of the building, as it is collapsing. Are these pipes exploding from pressure? Or are these the bombs planted? Surely somebody saw something, when a group is installing 1000’s of explosives. Somewhere lies footage of a group of trucks entering WTC.
The only religion that was not bashed was Muslim. This film is anti American, and Anti- ‘Infidel’. Think about how this was presented, and how it moved from one topic to another, strung them together, and escalated. It was designed to build you up into a frenzy of mistrust and paranoia. It calls Americans stupid and gullable, but then tells you to believe what they present. Most of what is said is not proven. It is done in a way that seems professional so people won’t question it. Now why would anyone want a society to turn on itself? To break it down from within. That is what this film is trying to do. Confuse, shock, anger and breakdown. Think for yourselves. Do your own research. Don’t let a stranger with a video camera tell you what to believe, how to feel and what to do. Ask yourselves what the motivation behind this film is. Who is the person responsible for this? What is his motivation? And most importantly…why should you blindly follow this stranger?
ITS IRONIC HOW U GUYS BUILD THIS ASPECT OF THINKING THRU MODERN SCIENCE,ASROLOGY,AND RELIGION. NOTHING IS FULLIY CONTROLED UNTIL IT IS MANIPULATED AND FALSIFIED U MUST ASK UR SELF ARE UR CHAINS A FALSE IDENITY OF A FLUKE BELIEF SYSTEM PROGRAMED TO REVOLVE AROUND EDUCATION . WHAT IF EVERY THING U WERE TAUGHT WAS ONE BIG LIE EVEN IF SCINTIFICALLY PROVEN OR SPIRITUALLY EXPERIENCE. WERE THE MATTER SINKS DEEP AND EVEN FLESH BECOMES AIR TO A SENSE OF SECURITY INBEDED TO ILLUSION. WERE ALL TATS REAL BECOME VAIN WITHIN A BREATH .
If I understand your statements Zen Sheep Shearer, then you are like the 99% who are idiots if you think you do not have the ability to change this. It isn’t some new idea that Religion & government control the masses through fear and economics. It may look like there is a separation of church & state, but their dealings just went underground. What would be new is that the people finally have enough of it. But how can they when pop-culture replaces education? Ever see Jay Leno’s take on the street asking people of all ages questions like who is the current president of the US & finding many can’t answer it? Well, why care about what’s happening in the real world when we can hear about some celeb’s new baby’s name. I’ve worked in local government & have seen the corruption. If such activity takes place on a local level, what happens in the federal government could blow your mind. If the people do care they are too tired to fight or believe they don’t have the power to make a difference. History has proven that we should never trust our government. Time & time again we hear how the government has wronged us & yet only a few attempt to stop it. What happened to “a government for the people, BY the people?”
Those of you who felt your religion was attacked obviously don’t have an open mind. Anyone who believes Christianity is/was good needs to review the many slaughters throughout history in the name of Christ. George Carlin’s take on the matter was perfect. What does it matter WHO (Horus or Jesus) said Love your neighbor as yourself & Do unto others as you would have done unto you? The message is what’s important, isn’t it? Intelligent beings know what is right. Now all they have to do is act. Let’s act.
Thanks for sharing
I watched this movie at one of my students insistance. Three points come bounding into my mind as I realize that I wasted nearly 2 hours on this, and then another 30 minutes reading this board:
1. The only religion bashed is Christianity. Why not Islam? The Koran mentions Jesus Christ. In fact, Mary is the only woman mentioned by name in the Koran.
2. The facts presented on 9/11 can be easily researched and disproven. I have read and listened to several engineers discussing the WTC collapses, and what most people have NO concept of, is the sheer force that a WTC floor dropping 12 feet onto the next floor, with this process repeating itself 100 times, will generate. As for NORAD and the rest, I contend that the opportunity any hijackers to take over a plane fully loaded with fuel and fly them into a building is probable. I have never had a flight lesson in my life and I have flown a plane. I could navigate. I didn’t have to land it, so I didn’t. There are also photos of aircraft wreckage in both PA and the Pentagon. I found these on the internet in about .7 seconds (google!).
3. The explanation of how the Federal Reserve works is conceptually incorrect. It, like the rest of the movie, is both inaccurate one sided in its approach. The person that wrote the script for this movie should read a book.
As stated earlier, this movie was made to present a side and to let you make your own conclusions. It then goes on to insult and disrespect you (if you are an American, anyway), for not only being a sheep, but a dumb sheep, at that.
My advice, if you haven’t watched the movie, is to skip it. If you did watch it, doe some research. There is a lot out there.
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:
OHHHMM OHHHHM *ROLLS EYES*
Evocative and kept me watching. Not to sure on the political conspiracy stuff. Found the spirituality stuff intreging. Let me first begin with, people have to remember that civilization is very old. If you could imagine yourself as in the time and space of the present right now; we have a conceptual idea of the technology we use, ‘hense’ living in an industrial age. And we all have or, I do ‘I have a body with a mind and spirit’. What the first part of the Documentary tries to make clear to others is that yes we are all unique and are spiritual beings. Symbolism, in societies wether it be on a social, historical, anthropological basis, form groups and affinity with each other through sybolism. the history of ‘Art’ is a reflection of the history of that era that also has a notion of past, present and future. Human beings are fundamentaully artistic at a level of inquiry of the natural world ‘hense understanding it’ using it to create meaning’ This is were Zodiac symbolism comes in. Let me put it this way, if you lived 10.000 years ago in a little village in Europe were there were no books, TV, Radio, cars, Trains, electricity, Shops with commodities with advertising, tink of all the materialism in the last 3centuries you take for granted and take a `he past were this was unimaginable. IS IT NOT LIKELY THAT THE CONSTENT EXPOSURE TO THE ENVIROMENT MEANT PEOPLE HAD TO MAKE SENCE OF IT. Such as personifying the star constilations, they had a lot of time on their hands to be imaginative. However it is through personification of the enviroment, animals, nature of everything we see in the sky so that we can relate to it. Hence a sun god’. We today are manipulated byadvertising sybolism, in order to buy into a product. What is the difference. the sooner people understand their minds more the clearer you will feel. Symbolism is extremley inate in the human mind as we are artists by nature. Hence: Invention, inovation, human thought, inquiry ‘the beautiful mind’
People need to understand the consept of TIME AND SPACE wereby you understand something in that moment to be the reality, the here and now. It is quite revealing but obvious that societies were inspired by previous societies to give meaning to their society. We today are not any different, we copy each other, learning new ideas and ways to conseptulise the universe and our own lives. this is what the ancients did also when they could. Want to leave with saying that if alot of the zeitgeist video were to be alot of rubbish, then who does it gain to say that it isnt. The world is a fascinating place full of fascinating difference. A world order would be a boring thing.
I will start just like the movie, from the religion and move on.
I was baptized a christian orthodox, but was born a Greek. It is a great paradox to be both a greek and a christian, that is being of a lineage of great thinkers and philosophers that searched for the truth and science in everything that surrounded them and come to believe that that there is a god that had a son and together with a spirit they are all one and are the answer for everything. It is the latter group (christians) that destroyed anything Greek and installed a theocratic state uppon the free-thinking Greeks. Knowing this I keep the message of love and goodnes that christianity teaches but I hold strongly to My Greek herritage of free thinking.
This movie is just a movie not a movement, the author takes bits and pieces that are truth as an axiom and goes on to prove apoint. What he proves is that throughout the ages people had the need for protection from something bigger than themselves and invented religion. Religion was always and is Biger than any form of government, that doesn’t discredit religion because it is a need. What discredits religion is it’s involvement with the rulling ellites. This guy should have made this point clear and attack all the rulling classes of all religions. Prime Example of the Use of a relligion to mobilize people for other than religious purpose is the recent (1979) islamic revolution in Iran. This movie doesn’t even have a single passage on islam and how it is used to coerce people into bad deeds for the sake of a rulling ellite. Ultimatelly these believers are prisoners of their own beliefs and can not search and see the truth clearly because the axiom of the goodnes of god is there and anything that is done in the name of god therefore is good.
Clearly the same aplies to christianity judaism etc. All religions at some point or another have been used to mobilize people for the beneffit of the rulling class and are still beeing used for the same purposes.
This leads me to the conclusion that the author of zeitgeist is clearly one sided on this matter. Of course this could be because his intended audience is Western and mostly christian and he wanted to strike a chord in that specific audience. However, the method of distribution that he chose is global (internet) therefore the mesage should be global. I give a big Discredit on the first part part of the movie in my mind not becuse it is a lie quite the opposite but because it has all the ingredients of propaganda (Take a pinch of trouth mix it with some common bellief add your message simmer for 45 minutes). The outcome is guaranteed to be believable and striking.
The second part of the movie got me thinking, not that I didn’t have my personal doubts to begin with. But As in all conspiracy theories of major proportions there is one thing that allways bugs me, not even one person slipped through the cracks to come out and clearly say “god forgive me” or people forgive me” I was one of the techs that put the explossives on Friday on building 7, 1 or 2 or “I Feel guilty for the deaths of so many people here is what really happened”. And don’t tell me that The cia or FBI has so many loyal employees or agents that believe in the cause of World domination that kept a conspiracy of such proportions so tightly a secret.
Don’t take me wrong the failures of the govrnment and its agencies are suspect, but to me not as suspect as to believe that they organized it, but suspect enough to make me think that the danger could have been purposelly ignored untill it was realized. A national trgedy is allways a good reason to mobilize people and public concioussness for a purpose that the very same public has minimal or no knowledge at all.
The conclusion for this second part will remain in my mind as it was originally, a National Tragedy convenient enough to mobilize our nation to war that one or the other way was going to hapen, a war for control of resources vital to this nation and the western world. A war for resources that we need and we can not let medieval and hostile governments control.
I do not think the people of this country or the west in general are prepared to cynicaly take the truth, that is why the governments create schemes such as democratizations, liberations etc. I my self think it would be more honest for our government to give us a straight forward dilema, peace but without all the conveniences and luxuries we have come to take for granted or war and continuation of the staus quo.
The fundamental flaws of humanity do not allow for revolutions that lead to utopia. In 1917 the Bolshevics tried to change their future through revolution, by the time the revolution was over and in the following years a new ellite arose and the story was the same as it always is but with different rules.
Any prompt for revolution in times of prosperity is suspect at least. Revolutions don’t happen because somebody is prompting for one, revolutions happen when a system has failled totally.
this brings me to the last part of the movie.
Is the central banking system be it the federal reserve, the central european bank or any other central banking system corrupt? Of course it is, when money and power mix there is always room for corruption.
Is the central banking system the best monetary system there is? NO, But in the complex world economic arena with goods and services offered and beeing traded world wide I do not see any alternative that would facilitate such vast ammounts of trade.
An honest money system with a comodity such as golg backing currencies can prove disaterous in the global arena simply because there is not enough gold in the world to back all the value of goods and services offered.
It was a good system in agrarian and early industrial eras but at the time the wealth was distributed to the very few ellites.
A central banking system puts currency in the hands of all the people, is that currency worthless? as a commodity it is but as a means of trade it works miracles.
It is something like modern day democracy it is not the perfect governing system but is the best available for our times.
So after seeing this movie I will not take my guns and hit the streets I will not even propagate its message because I consider it suspect for our time.
As for the future it is in our hands to think critically and and not become zombies and pawns in a system that wants obidient citizens. Disobedience is what is needed against suspect Laws that reduce our freedoms not revolutions, Revolution is not a simple thing that can be done by a few “enlightened people” it takes the right ingredients and circumstanses in a society. Each and every one of us though that feels their rights and freedoms as hummans are beeing violated can be disobedient, in a republic or indirect democrasy the governing bodies need the people more than the people need them and if a majority or a very vocal minority are disobedient to new rules they are forced to change because they run the risk not to get elected.
In Final conclusion I consider the movie entertaining but dangerous for the gullible, the message is “Americans revolt against a system that is not good for others”.
It has all the ingredients of good propaganda (Axiom+Common Bellief+Message), This movie contradicts itself in a suspect maner, It asks you to search for the truth but it gives a map of where to find this truth.
The truth is one of the easiest concepts but the most difficult one to be revealed, don’t believe in maps that lead you to it.
gabriel : “astrology is a true sience”
HaHa! Since when? Astrology is just a MYTH! There is only one sientyfic part is arrangement of stars in the sky and motion cycles of heavenly bodies , everything else is just crap, that it is never proved, it’s even fails to pass statistic testing.
About the film: People, try looking across whole material, not just at different fakts!
The film doesn’t mean the end of world, it means that next time you shold carefully investigate fakts to know that it’s not another crap.
Your blog is interesting!
Keep up the good work!
hi
I do not agree with what you said really….
please explain in detail a bit more for me
thank you
I AM A BELIEVER… i GREW UP PENECOSTAL AND WAS INTRODUCED TO THE IDEA THAT THE WOOL WAS PULLED OVER MY EYES A FEW YEARS AGO. MY RESEARCH CAUSED ME TO COMPLETELY TURN MY BACK ON RELIGION. SOMETHING I AM CONNECTED TO CAN’T LET ME RELEASE THE GOD CONCEPT COMPLETY, NOR DO I WANT TO, BUT RELIGION,ORGANIZED RELIGION IS TOTALLY NOT THE TRUTH IT TEACHES THAT IT IS. The fact is, no matter what there will always be people that don’t or won’t beleive the real truth no matter what. Just like the people in states where hurricanes Katrina an Ike came through that refused to leave, not beleiving they would acctually lose thier homes and or lives…they stayed and lost everthing, some even thier lives. I am just so concerned for my children and I hope that I am able to protect my family and I hope that WE THE PEOPLE UNITE so that we can reclaim our life and the FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN!!!
hey
I don’t agree with what you said really….
please explain further a bit more for me ;D
cheers
hi
I can’t agree with what you wrote really….
please explain further a bit more for me ;d
cheers
hey
I can not agree with what you said really….
please explain further a bit more for me ;d
thank you
Hello. And Bye.
hi
I can’t agree with what you said really….
please explain in detail a bit more for me ;D
thanks
This is very good people are starting to question. If you think you are wrong, do some research, same if you are right. Use a credible unbiased site,books are good. I think people bickering about what what they think they know is funny and mostly the people who are surely right. Also dont believe anything without question, if you do you have faith, faith=ignorance to most educated people. Educate yourself and only speek to those who want to listen.